What if you had been born in Syria?

Where would you be now? What would you be hoping for your country? For your fellow citizens? For the world to do?


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I am a criminal. Because I have used cannabis and psychedelics extensively. I have tried many other drugs, but never cared for the uppers, downers, or dissociatives. I love craft beer, and absinthe, but don't care much for alcohols effects- which quite frankly, are boring and dangerous. Science is my religion. I am in my 40's, and have travelled extensively. And often forced myself outside of my confort zone. I am employed, a respected member of my communtiy, an animal lover, an environmentalist, a political junkie, and the realities I have experienced continue to push me further to the left of the political spectrum.
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5 Responses to What if you had been born in Syria?

  1. Barneysday says:

    What if you were an Iraqi, 11 years ago looking back from today, would you be better off now? Afghanistani? Just a thought.

    • Neither are countries where there own people chose to rise against the abuses of their government. Of over a half century of living under martial law. Whose main opposition force- the Syrian Free Army was formed by defectors from the nations army who refused to fire on their own people.

      Iraq and Afghanistan also both fit with *our* goals. Syria certainly does not. But do we on the left already forget the hope and promise of the arab spring? The comparisons to the Occupy movement?

      Do we as a nation only support the beliefs and ideals we claim to profess when it suits our objectives? When it is convenient?


  2. Barneysday says:

    I truly feel your sadness and compassion for fellow humans on this planet. I do.

    But we had no business going to Vietnam, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, et al for a few reasons. Contrary to the politicians braying at the time, 1) There were no American security interests involved. 2) In none of these examples, did we leave the country or their citizens any better off than when we invaded. Iraq? Afghanistan? Still killing thousands of each other. Vietnam? In the end, still overran by the north, at the expense of 56,000 American youth killed, hundreds of thousands maimed and destroyed for life. 3) These countries, Syria included, have been fighting religious wars, or cleansing wars for thousands of years over history. How are we going to drop a few “surgically strategic” Tomahawk missiles, and bring this to an end? 4) If you’ve been following the NSA story, and the Tea Party’s efforts to destroy aid to the poor in this country, you have to realize that democracy is no longer working in this country. Then why are we so arrogant as to say it will in Egypt, Iraq or Afghanistan? 5) out of all the hundreds of countries in the world, why is it only the U.S. who must act? Why are we the world’s policeman? More US arrogance? 6) If you believe in a higher power, then why are they allowing these killings all over the world, all these thousands of years? Perhaps that is “his” natural order? (This last one’s a bit out there, I admit, but if we are going to be the concious of the world, we need think of everything we can.)

    Finally, why do we not have enough money for Head Start, for food stamps, for education, for infrastructure repair and maintainence, for Medicare, for Social Security, for Jobs Programs, for unemployment, for Meals on Wheels, for School Lunch Programs, etc etc, but we have PLENTY of money to start yet another war? And make no mistake, this will not end with only a few missile launches, and then be done. More American lives will be lost, more American lives will be destroyed by the results of war.

    Armchair warriors are the bane of this country, have been since Harry Truman’s time. When and where does it end???

    Thanks for your patience, as you see, I feel as strongly against these invasive wars we’ve been involved with for 50 years as you do about the people of Syria.

    • Hey,

      More often then not we largely agree. Possibly coming to the same conclusions from different points of reasoning.

      So let me address a few of your points:

      #1- and this is a HUGE one for me. Yes- I fully agree there are no american security interests involved. So what? I would argue the very root of ALL of americas problems in foreign conflicts since WWII has been our own security (or economic) interests. What about our moral interests- the very principles both our security and economic interests claim to rest on?

      #2- agreed. But what of Bosnia? Or (the infamous) “what if” we had actually intervened in Rwanda? OR stayed the course in Somalia?

      #3 Who knows? America is certainly no saint itself. But if humanity can not support those seeking freedom- including the freedom to make their own mistakes…what is the point…

      #4 And why are we so arrogant to say that our failures will be repeated? Are you seriously trying to say that a regime passed from father to son, generation after generation is a better choice then trying democracy? Because *we* screwed up due to our own failures and weaknesses?

      #5 quite simply- because that is who we have become. In no small part because of those that cling to the 2nd amendment- but chose to forgo it’s very intent- prohibition of a standing army. But let’s be clear here- the very term “Worlds policemen” is derogatory. An implication of police as Gestapo rather the peace keeper or public servant. Preconceptions at play… And as I stated previously the main opposition in Syria is comprised largely of Syrian military forces who refused to slaughter their own people. Do you remember Kent State? Now imagine it was not an accident of history- but something ordered by the government. And repeated again. And again. And again.

      6_ I have a hard time addressing this as I don’t really believe in a “higher power”- rather that we, and all life, all energy, all matter are part of something larger.

      And to your following points- I do not agree this will follow to a war. We made succeed. We may very well make matters worse. America does not even seem to have the stomach to attempt the right thing- much less fall into the wrong thing. I would have been much happier if the US had taken limited action at the very start rather then wait until a “red line” was crossed.

      I will leave you with the earworm of John Lennons Imagine. The Syrian people are not “Some other country”. They are our brothers and sisters. And I can no more turn my back on their suffrering by a brutal government then I can by those of my own government.

      I can’t help but feel that there are people willing to actually fight for- and give their lives in so doing, for many of the very core beliefs I hold. And I would be a hypocrite unworthy of the very ideals America claims to support to turn a blind eye.

  3. Barneysday says:

    I thank you for your thoughtful comments and insight. I think we can agree to disagree.

    I only mention American security interests because every president since Truman, including now even Obama, has used that as an excuse to invade the country of the moment. All those wars you just posted, how are any of them different?

    I’m a veteran, and see hundreds of patients whose lives have been destroyed by just the Vietnam war every time I go for care. That war was 50 years ago. 3 best friends died there, all before their 19th birthday. Can you explain to me what we “won” in that war? Why were we there? why did 56,000 of my peers die there, and hundreds of thousands of casualties? Kennedy and LBJ said it was for American security interests and to stop communism. We accomplished neither.

    I have the exact same questions about Iraq, Afghanistan, and now, possibly, Syria.

    I’m sorry to write so strongly about this topic, as you note, we mostly agree. But since WW II, this country has embarked on one disasterous war after another, and no matter the reason for going to war in the first place, the outcomes were the same. A disaster for the youngsters on the front lines, the armchair warrior President sitting in his bathtub, painting puppies.

    Maybe if Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Obama, Clinton, Bush 1, Reagan, et al, had sons and daughters in the service, had close relatives on the front lines, then maybe they would show more restraint.

    And remember, these same politicians voting to attack Syria, are also the ones who proposed cutting veterans benefits, and the VA budget, by 25%. So after these kids make their sacrifices and leave their limbs on foreign soil, they can expect to come home to waiting 1-3 years for care, or being cut off completely. And you can visit any VA hospital in the country, ask to visit the patient advocate office, and see how many days that facility is behind in applications for new care. My particular one is over 600 days waiting time for new applicants.

    What if we required our Presidents to wait 600 days before signing us up for a war?

    We as a country should be deeply ashamed, and BTW, after repeated attempts by veterans groups to get Obama to address this, he still has done nothing more than make flowery speeches. And this is not a screed against Obama, but you really want him to be commander in chief of yet another war?

    Again, thanks for your patience, and putting up with my fevered feelings on this topic.

    Best to you

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